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tony

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(Msg. 1) Posted: Fri Mar 24, 2006 6:55 pm
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Is there perhaps another forum that people have migrated to?

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(Msg. 2) Posted: Fri Mar 24, 2006 7:48 pm
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tony wrote:
> Is there perhaps another forum that people have migrated to?
>
> Tony
>
It's been pretty lonely. Now that you're here, what up?

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(Msg. 3) Posted: Sat Mar 25, 2006 9:18 am
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tony wrote:
> Is there perhaps another forum that people have migrated to?
>
> Tony
>

I don't know. But, hey I am thinking of moving from contract programmer
to contract project manager (like being a prime contractor). What do you
think?

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(Msg. 4) Posted: Sat Mar 25, 2006 1:43 pm
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On Fri, 24 Mar 2006 19:53:41 GMT, "tony" <tonynews.DeleteThis@myisp.net> wrote in
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>Is there perhaps another forum that people have migrated to?

Not that I know about. I don't know why it's been dead. I guess that
no one has had any questions that they wanted to ask.
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(Msg. 5) Posted: Sat Mar 25, 2006 1:54 pm
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On Sat, 25 Mar 2006 09:18:40 -0500, rich <no.TakeThisOut@email.please> wrote in
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>tony wrote:
>> Is there perhaps another forum that people have migrated to?
>
>I don't know. But, hey I am thinking of moving from contract programmer
>to contract project manager (like being a prime contractor). What do you
>think?

Do you know anyone else who does that kind of contracting? Do you
have any prospective clients who want it?

The real problem with this kind of switch if finding programmers to
work as subs or employees and whose work meets your standards. If you
have built a reputation based on your own coding skills, you don't
want to blow it by subbing out to people whose work is inferior.
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(Msg. 6) Posted: Sat Mar 25, 2006 3:27 pm
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Charles Calvert wrote:
> Do you know anyone else who does that kind of contracting? Do you
> have any prospective clients who want it?

No, and no. I sure would like to find one or more of either.

> The real problem with this kind of switch if finding programmers to
> work as subs or employees and whose work meets your standards. If you
> have built a reputation based on your own coding skills, you don't
> want to blow it by subbing out to people whose work is inferior.

I really don't think I am going to limit it to just programming
projects. I think I'm going to take a 'business systems as a whole' type
of approach. I started in the computer field doing hardware and software
installation, troubleshooting, and repair.

What I want to do is go in and help identify needs and wants. Then come
up with the solution including requirements definition, system
architecture, and design. After that hire contractors to perform the
work or let the company hire them and I'll act as project manager until
completion. Of course I will always be willing to help any way I can on
smaller projects.

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(Msg. 7) Posted: Sun Mar 26, 2006 9:55 pm
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"rich" <no.TakeThisOut@email.please> wrote in message news:109f3$44255125$45288331$10959@ALLTEL.NET...
> tony wrote:
>> Is there perhaps another forum that people have migrated to?
>>
>> Tony
>
> I don't know. But, hey I am thinking of moving from contract programmer to contract project manager (like being a prime
> contractor). What do you think?

Great idea if you have the connections to both customers and project staff and
you are capable of focusing on results rather than just technology. I'd like
to do the same thing, but I'm such a loner (not by nature, but by current situation).
There's many potential areas to specialize in, though I have a feeling that in such
a scenario you pretty much wouldn't turn down any work if you could reasonably
expect to be successful at delivering the project. The first projects should be easy
ones for you so that you get a reputation for successful delivery from the start
I think.

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(Msg. 8) Posted: Sun Mar 26, 2006 9:55 pm
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"Joe Wright" <joewwright.TakeThisOut@comcast.net> wrote in message news:MZidnTPSrYbDDrnZnZ2dnUVZ_tednZ2d@comcast.com...
> tony wrote:
>> Is there perhaps another forum that people have migrated to?
>>
>> Tony
> It's been pretty lonely. Now that you're here, what up?

Nothing up here. Just trying to stay afloat while I create the better
mousetrap.

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(Msg. 9) Posted: Mon Mar 27, 2006 12:55 am
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"rich" <no RemoveThis @email.please> wrote in message news:f24cb$4425a77c$a227322c$8410@ALLTEL.NET...
> Charles Calvert wrote:
>> Do you know anyone else who does that kind of contracting? Do you
>> have any prospective clients who want it?
>
> No, and no. I sure would like to find one or more of either.
>
>> The real problem with this kind of switch if finding programmers to
>> work as subs or employees and whose work meets your standards. If you
>> have built a reputation based on your own coding skills, you don't
>> want to blow it by subbing out to people whose work is inferior.
>
> I really don't think I am going to limit it to just programming projects. I think I'm going to take a 'business systems as
> a whole' type of approach. I started in the computer field doing hardware and software installation, troubleshooting, and
> repair.
>
> What I want to do is go in and help identify needs and wants. Then come up with the solution including requirements
> definition, system architecture, and design. After that hire contractors to perform the work or let the company hire them
> and I'll act as project manager until completion. Of course I will always be willing to help any way I can on smaller
> projects.

The most scrutinized aspect of such a position is the amount of money you
make compared to the rest of the project team. Finding a fair and disclosed
way of valuating (billing) for your part in the project can be tricky. There's
a range of possibilities but the end to stay away from is being nothing more
than a broker skimming money off the top. I'd let the team and the client
how much of the billing goes to the GC. Project management is a valid role of
course on a project, but it should be itemized just like any other role
(developer etc). The projects have to be fairly large before a "real" PM is
required (as in PMP) so you may be hard pressed to justify it on smaller
projects.

The other high-level role may be something like "lead architect".
But of course, that's not a full time job on a project so you'd
have to be doing that across many projects to get the high rate doing that.
Of course you may consider fixed-bidding that portion and "charge what
the market will bare" for it, but I think most buyers are onto that broker-like
M.O. If one was really that good at architecting solutions, he/she should be
able to pretty much shrink-wrap it and sell it in volume rather than low volume
at a high price. Or at least come in with a bunch of reusable pieces already
ready to use and the pieces/architecture/solution proven on other projects
already (low client risk).

You have to consider things like the above if you want to be a GC with the
highest level of integrity rather than a broker. It's way to easy to hang out a
shingle, be a staffing agency, but market as if a real engineering company.
I think those that have their own employees with longevity in the solutions
and business are more respected than those companies that gather up
staff as needed, basically playing lotto ticket with them.

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(Msg. 10) Posted: Fri Mar 31, 2006 1:16 pm
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On Sat, 25 Mar 2006 15:27:03 -0500, rich <no.TakeThisOut@email.please> wrote in
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>Charles Calvert wrote:
>> Do you know anyone else who does that kind of contracting? Do you
>> have any prospective clients who want it?
>
>No, and no. I sure would like to find one or more of either.

This is a good place to ask. Do you do any (person to person)
networking in your area? You could also ask around to see if you can
find someone.

>> The real problem with this kind of switch if finding programmers to
>> work as subs or employees and whose work meets your standards. If you
>> have built a reputation based on your own coding skills, you don't
>> want to blow it by subbing out to people whose work is inferior.
>
>I really don't think I am going to limit it to just programming
>projects. I think I'm going to take a 'business systems as a whole' type
>of approach. I started in the computer field doing hardware and software
>installation, troubleshooting, and repair.

What is your target market for such projects?

>What I want to do is go in and help identify needs and wants. Then come
>up with the solution including requirements definition, system
>architecture, and design. After that hire contractors to perform the
>work or let the company hire them and I'll act as project manager until
>completion. Of course I will always be willing to help any way I can on
>smaller projects.

That sounds perfectly reasonable. How many of your past clients had
projects that might have benefited from such a service?
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(Msg. 11) Posted: Sat Apr 15, 2006 2:43 am
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"tony" <tonynews.DeleteThis@myisp.net> wrote in message
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>
> Tony
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It's pretty dead in here since you scared everyone away with your $39 an
hour rant a few threads back!

Smile

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(Msg. 12) Posted: Sat Apr 15, 2006 10:21 pm
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"Jon Morris" <jonathanlmorris DeleteThis @yahoo.com> wrote in message news:o5Z%f.83$513.69@trndny05...
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> "tony" <tonynews DeleteThis @myisp.net> wrote in message news:97YUf.63036$dW3.12400@newssvr21.news.prodigy.com...
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> It's pretty dead in here since you scared everyone away with your $39 an hour rant a few threads back!
>
> Smile

Yeah right. My rates just start there for commodity-type work. It's not like I'm
going to consult to NASA about realtime space shuttle systems at that rate
(not that I could even if I wanted to though!). I'd have to charge at least $10/hr
more for that. Razz Just kidding!!! (Lighten up).

It's tax week so I wouldn't expect much activity online until everyone has filed.

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(Msg. 13) Posted: Sun Apr 16, 2006 10:32 am
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On Sat, 15 Apr 2006 22:21:13 GMT, "tony" <tonynews.RemoveThis@myisp.net> wrote in
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>"Jon Morris" <jonathanlmorris.RemoveThis@yahoo.com> wrote in message news:o5Z%f.83$513.69@trndny05...
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>> "tony" <tonynews.RemoveThis@myisp.net> wrote in message news:97YUf.63036$dW3.12400@newssvr21.news.prodigy.com...
>>> Is there perhaps another forum that people have migrated to?
>>
>> It's pretty dead in here since you scared everyone away with your $39 an hour rant a few threads back!

To give Tony a little credit, it seems that his origination of this
thread seems to have provoked some activity when it had been dead for
quite a while.

[snip]

>It's tax week so I wouldn't expect much activity online until everyone has filed.

Fortunately mine were sent out a couple of weeks ago, so I have the
time to post now. Smile
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(Msg. 14) Posted: Wed Apr 26, 2006 11:55 pm
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"Charles Calvert" <cbciv DeleteThis @yahoo.com> wrote in message
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> On Sat, 15 Apr 2006 22:21:13 GMT, "tony" <tonynews DeleteThis @myisp.net> wrote in
> <tle0g.59916$F_3.32589@newssvr29.news.prodigy.net>:
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>>"Jon Morris" <jonathanlmorris DeleteThis @yahoo.com> wrote in message
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>>> "tony" <tonynews DeleteThis @myisp.net> wrote in message
>>> news:97YUf.63036$dW3.12400@newssvr21.news.prodigy.com...
>>>> Is there perhaps another forum that people have migrated to?
>>>
>>> It's pretty dead in here since you scared everyone away with your $39 an
>>> hour rant a few threads back!
>
> To give Tony a little credit, it seems that his origination of this
> thread seems to have provoked some activity when it had been dead for
> quite a while.
>
> [snip]
>
>>It's tax week so I wouldn't expect much activity online until everyone has
>>filed.
>
> Fortunately mine were sent out a couple of weeks ago, so I have the
> time to post now. Smile
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Are there any regional newsgroups for I.T guys that you know of?

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(Msg. 15) Posted: Sun May 07, 2006 2:06 pm
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On Thu, 27 Apr 2006 01:44:34 GMT, "Jon Morris"
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>Are there any regional newsgroups for I.T guys that you know of?

Other than groups in national hierarchies (e.g. uk.*), no. You might
find something on Yahoo! Groups or the like.
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