Removal of this list?

Luk,

> We as maintainers of the consultants page don't use this mailing list at
> all. So it gets almost only spam. If noone objects I'll ask for its removal.

Just to be clear: I object.

Will you support its transfer to owners from among the debian-consultants
subscribers?

Will the consultants maintainers promote membership of the list to
new entrants of the consultants page? I believe they would be
welcome to announce themselves here, should they wish.


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MJ Ray wrote:
> Luk,

Hi

>>We as maintainers of the consultants page don't use this mailing list at
>>all. So it gets almost only spam. If noone objects I'll ask for its removal.
>
>
> Just to be clear: I object.
>
> Will you support its transfer to owners from among the debian-consultants
> subscribers?

I don't fully understand what you mean. AFAICT there is nothing to
transfer: either the list remains or the list is removed.

> Will the consultants maintainers promote membership of the list to
> new entrants of the consultants page? I believe they would be
> welcome to announce themselves here, should they wish.

Do you mean you want to use the list among Debian consultants? If so,
then I'll not ask to remove the list and we could promote the list.

But it should be clear that the list will not be used by the consultants
page maintainers for the moment (this can change of course). So, please
make sure that if anything is to be changed to the consultants page to
send it still to consultants DeleteThis @debian.org. And please, if you want to
discuss something with the maintainers, then Cc consultants DeleteThis @debian.org.

Cheers

Luk
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Luk Claes <luk.RemoveThis@debian.org> wrote:
> MJ Ray wrote:
> > Will you support its transfer to owners from among the debian-consultants
> > subscribers?
> I don't fully understand what you mean. AFAICT there is nothing to
> transfer: either the list remains or the list is removed. [...]

There is a general problem with debian lists that the owners
"forget" to take care of their lists and just let them wither
and die. This list seems to have been launched by the Debian
consultants list maintainer, but successors have done little
with it.
[1] http://lists.debian.org/debian-consultants/1997/10/msg00003.html

If consultants@ don't want it any more, let's appoint new
owners who will take care of it and try to make sure it is more
than a spamtrap. I'm sure there are many of us who are doing
interesting work thanks to debian who would like to read about
other interesting work.

> But it should be clear that the list will not be used by the consultants
> page maintainers for the moment (this can change of course). [...]

I hope that you will post any interesting news or calls for help
here, but I agree that changes for the website should be sent
directly.

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Michelle Konzack wrote:

>Am 2005-06-28 09:59:44, schrieb MJ Ray:
>
>
>>Michelle Konzack <linux4michelle.DeleteThis@freenet.de> wrote:
>>
>>
>
>
>
>>>Not goot idea...
>>>I have gotten three new customers over this list.
>>>
>>>
>>I agree. I think it's bad of the maintainers of the consultants
>>list to say they don't use it and suggest removal rather than
>>offer it to us to run. At least we have a clear signal that
>>consultants@ don't want it any more.
>>
>>
>
>Sorry, but <debian-consultants> is NOT for the maintainer of the
>consultants website, but for customers which like to get in touch
>with consultants around the world.
>
>Mainterns should use <consultants.DeleteThis@debian.org>.
>
>
I know that when i signed up for the list, this was exactly what i
wanted. i hope it stays.

>
>
>>I support Michelle Konzack, Krisztian Mark Szentes and Stephen
>>Hardman as moderators, if they are still willing to do so.
>>If one of the three moderators steps down, replace ASAP.
>>
>>
>
>OK, I will CC the two others...
>
>
>
>>What next?
>>
>>1. Read http://www.ibiblio.org/oswg/oswg-nightly/oswg/en_US.ISO_8859-1/article...ladvice
>>
>>
>
>OK, I know it.
>
>
>
>>2. Make a list of on-topic and off-topic examples and
>>give everyone a week or so to agree or amend
>>
>>
>
>I think, the only thing that schould moderated is the
>submission of messages to avoid to be SPAMed.
>
>
>
>>3. Make a list of "guest authors" (may be subscribers) to write on
>>a new topic each week, so we know there'll be some useful traffic
>>
>>
>
>I like to see a (two-)weekly NEWS letter (like debian-news)
>but I am not nativ english speaker.
>
>(mean: I will have problems with it, german is no problem)
>
>
>
>>How's that?
>>
>>
>
>We should start it NOW ! - I am here and ready.
>
>Hmmm, I think, I should setup my own consultants HP.
>
><http://michelle.konzack.home.tamay-dogan.homelinux.net/debian-consultant.html>
> (coming soon)
>
>
>Greetings
>Michelle
>
>
>
I personaly would like to see this list get more usefull traffic. I
think the idea of having people write weekly articles about debian
consulting is a great idea and will support anything that keeps this
list alive and spam free.


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On Tue, Jun 28, 2005 at 10:02:30AM +0100, MJ Ray wrote:
> > We as maintainers of the consultants page don't use this mailing list at
> > all. So it gets almost only spam. If noone objects I'll ask for its removal.
>
> Just to be clear: I object.

Why would you want to keep a mailing list whose only traffic is
yearly calls for its removal?


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